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Leigh Burne

15,496 Edits since joining this wiki
May 17, 2011
  • I live in London, England
  • I was born on December 3
  • My occupation is Production manager
  • I am BATMAN


Hi, welcome to Xenopedia! Thanks for your edit to the Talk:Plasma caster page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- CadmiumX99 (Talk) 14:48, May 17, 2011

Yeah hi Edit

I just wanted to know when you edited "The Rookie" did you remove anything from the trivia section and if so why?CaptainGreen18 (talk) (Contribs) 23:15, March 14, 2013 (UTC)CapatinGreen18

Ok thanksCaptainGreen18 (talk) (Contribs) 22:40, March 17, 2013 (UTC)CaptainGreen18

Categories Edit

Leigh, your posts have been decent so far but why are you adding categories and then removing them?

I hope you are not doing that to bump up your post count because that is not allowed, first it wastes "recent activity" space and makes it more of a chore to find vandalism and secondally its a pointless edit with no contribution not to mention cheating.  

So why are you adding and removing the same categories? The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 15:32, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Predator Page Edit

I ehard you were renovating the predator page, have you finished that work yet? ralok (talk) (Contribs) 16:39, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

I've done everything in the upper sections of the page, but I haven't really got into the expanded universe section yet as that's an area I don't know much about personally. However, I've noticed quite a bit of the information in there is just repeating what's already stated higher up the page, so it should just be a case of going through it, moving the new information to a relevant section and deleting the rest.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 16:46, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sources. Edit

Leigh, How good are you at finding sources?

This wiki needs a lot of them to be considered a reliable wiki and we have some but not enough. The Wiki Project 2012 was supposed to about finding sources for pages that don't have any but sadly not much was done, I will be making a new project soon for this year and like 2012, I want it to be used to get people to find and cite sources for this wiki. I have mananged to add some sources to the wiki myself but the more people chipping in the better.

If you are not busy, would you be up to the task of finding sources? First you would need to check out the pages that are in dire need of sources, and use the [citation needed] tag for anything you think requires a source. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 17:47, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I've been trying to add more sources to the pages I edit, but I'm mostly just referencing the movies, their documentaries and the video games because that's all I'm familiar with in the franchise, I've never read any of the comics or books (except the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, which I have, but it only applies to a handful of pages and I've yet to have a proper go through it to see what I can add). Beyond that... I don't really know what 'finding sources' entails. A lot of Google searching?
Regardless, I agree more sources are needed and I'm willing to help out where I can.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:57, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, now that I think about it, I've tried to add some comic book sources to articles before, but I can't seem to work out how to reference a comic, there doesn't seem to be a template for it. (Same with video games actually, I've been using the movie reference template.) Could you help me out?--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 13:51, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
If you are more familiar with those mediums then yeah, you can find sources that way if you wish. As long as pages are getting sourced, its a push in the right direction for this wiki and a sign of improvement. Of course, comics will also need sources and if there is no template for it then I suppose you can try citing websites that show the comics such as dark horse, I once used the darkhorse site as a source myself though I am aware more direct ones would be better. Searching for sources can be pretty much  "a lot of google searching".
As for the template issue, I will check it out but note that usually has guides on sourcing, and if there are some sources here that has already successfully referenced a comic, then simply copy/paste the code and add what you want referenced. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 21:27, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Was this what you were looking for?
The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 21:29, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but I've already tired using that {{Cite comic}} template like you find on Wikipedia, and it doesn't seem to work on this wiki. All I get is this:

, saying the page doesn't exist, and I don't really know how to format a template.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 09:24, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Yep, tried to create the comic template, and it's gone horribly wrong :D --Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 09:29, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Have you tried creating the template page and copy/pasting the exact code from wikipedia?
I saw another comic template one on wikipedia so I will look to find that now. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 11:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Here is some other guides I found.
The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 12:17, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, unfortunately I think creating templates is a little over my head...--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 12:37, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
I will see if I can fix the loop or find solutions to it. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 12:41, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Template Edit

Well Leigh, I got the box up now, you just have to add "nowiki"  in between <> on top and again below but with / in  front of nowiki. See what you can do with it now. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 13:13, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately that's still not it. Entering {{Cite comic}} on an article just brings up the list of fields, like this:


It doesn't matter what other information I try to put in (writer, title, volume etc.), it still just shows that list like that. It needs to be more dynamic, like the {{Cite video}} template, which lets you enter names, titles, dates and whatnot at it arranges it into a reference, like this:
James Cameron (writer and director). Aliens [DVD]. 20th Century Fox.
I've managed to find the text for some of these templates on Wikipedia, and it's far more complicated than I can understand I'm afraid. If you go to the Template: Cite video page and click "Edit" you'll see what I mean. I've also tried just directly copying the text from Wikipedia across, but that didn't seem to work either.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 14:13, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I am not the best at doing templates either, at least it does not show the template loop now. I will see what more I can find out about it or see if my fellow admins know more about templates. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 15:05, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for helping out!--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 15:10, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Changes Edit

I have renamed the pages you brought to me, if there is any more that needs looking at just either post it to me or in the wiki project 2013 blog. Keep up the good contributions :).

How goes the comic template so far? The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 12:03, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I saw, thanks very much, and thanks for doing it so quickly!
To be honest I haven't had a look at the comic template yet, I was really busy all weekend and today is the first real chance I've had to get on here.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 12:14, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Improving the wiki Edit

Hi. You seem to be the well meaning type of a guy. I think we can work together in improving the quality of this wiki's text. 22:05, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

You should log in or join up if you have plans to be a part of this wiki long term. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 22:09, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm doing my best to improve the general quality of the articles on here. There's a lot of good information but some of the writing is a little poor (no offence to those who wrote it, of course). I'm mostly working on the articles relating to the game Aliens vs. Predator at the moment. I intend to buy it in the near future (I've played it before obviously but I sold my copy) and I'll run through it again to scrounge some more information for that. I also intend to go through the pages for all of the characters from the films (except the AVP films which I don't own and haven't seen since they came out) and clean those up, but I'm trying to wait for an issue regarding citing comics to get cleared up first so I can properly reference some of the information there.
The Cruentus is right though, if you intend to help out quite a bit in the future you should create an account.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:23, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Wolf Edit

I noticed that you changed "the elite" to wolf, I can see the reason why due to his appearance and the multiplayer  skin name but in-game from the alien's pov, I think he was called The Elite. I have no problem with name change personally, I was just curious as to why you did change it. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 00:00, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I figured that as the articles on the other Predators in the game — Spartan, Claw etc. — take their names from the characters' multiplayer skins, despite the fact they're never named in singleplayer, the Wolf page might as well do the same. Plus "The Elite" isn't a particularly descriptive title, as there are many Predator Elites. But I will add a note to the page saying that it's called The Elite in the Alien campaign.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 07:52, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Specimen 6 and Genetic XenomorphEdit

Leigh Burne, I do not see any reason at all why the changes to the Genetic Xenomorph and Specimen 6 articles which you keep undoing should not be made. Please explain. TroopDude (talk) (Contribs) 18:52, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

The changes I made to those articles over the last few weeks were to improve the general quality of the writing in them, as well as create uniformity across all articles on this wiki. By undoing those changes I have made, you are reintroducing those issues. As you're not adding anything new, I ask that you stop reverting the articles to their previous state.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 19:34, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
LB, I do not see any evidence of your claims that my edits to those two articles are degrading their structure. I don't mean to be arrogant, but I would say that if anything it is you who is degrading them by undoing those edits and reverting the articles to their previous states. Please provide some evidence that your claims are true, otherwise cease the edit reversions. TroopDude (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
The evidence I have is that you appear to be systematically going through articles I have been improving and reverting the changes I have made. Now you are reverting my changes to the Xeno Egg article. For starters, I own the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, and it is "Ovomorph" with an O, not "Ovamorph" with an A. I'm looking at the book to confirm it right now. Please stop undoing weeks of hard work by reverting the changes I have made to improve things.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 20:19, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
LB, I am not being prideful here, but I do not see at all how correcting spelling and grammar mistakes that you missed and adding new pictures is degrading the articles; it seems clear to me that if anything, you are degrading the articles by restoring the spelling errors and mistakes, and as far as I can see you are over-exaggerating when you claim that I am "reverting" the changes you made over the last weeks, which I am not. So either point out some actual evidence and not just claims, or stop at once. TroopDude (talk) (Contribs) 20:30, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

And in case you are about to simply continue undoing my edits without specifically pointing out how they degrade the articles, look at the changes to the Xenomorph Egg article, and notice that I have listened to your explanation about the spelling and left it as Ovomorph. TroopDude (talk) (Contribs) 20:37, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

If you wish to make constructive changes, try and observe these pointers:
- Please leave quotations in articles alone, as they have been formatted to the same style across all articles (barring a few that may have been missed) and by changing this you are introducing discrepancies.
- All video game player character articles have been organised to include which game the character is playable in as part of the opening section; please stop moving this information back to the trivia section on Specimen 6, as, again, you are introducing discrepancies.
- Also, Specimen "6" is that character's name, not Specimen "Six". I am aware "Six" has been used at times in the article, but only because "6" looks awkward when not preceded by "Specimen". Please stop changing the characters name the "Specimen Six" throughout as it is incorrect, and, once again, creates discrepancies with other articles.
- The Genetic Xenomorph page is a SPECIES article, not a CHARACTER article. Therefore it should not include story elements from Alien Resurrection, but merely details about the nature of the creatures themselves.
I concede that I misunderstood some of your changes as needlessly reverting my own edits, I apologise, I jumped to conclusions as I have had problems with this elsewhere recently. However, please observe the points above, as those changes in particular have undone the uniformity I have been trying to create across this wiki.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 20:57, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


Apology accepted. I now myself feel that I was overreacting a bit over that argument and behaving a little bit petulently, and therefore I also apologise to you for my behaviour. TroopDude (talk) (Contribs) 18:19, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yautja/Xenomorph killers category Edit

I am not entirely sure but I believe that category already exists, I will have to double check. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 17:02, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Just checked and only one shows up, so its not a duplicate but I am very sure there was one before, it must have been deleted at some point. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 18:33, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Mecha-Alien Edit

Leigh, have you ever heard of a Mecha-alien (not talking about a xenoborg) its a page someone created with a picture that looks like a predalien with predator equipment, its seems to me to be made up as I have never heard of it but I want to be sure so I decided to ask a fewmembers before having to possibly delete it. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 13:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Advice Edit

Hey Leigh, Im interested in this wiki and I wanted to ask you what the best way to contribute to the upkeep of the pages would be. If you could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it, thank you! JCayge 17:25, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the wiki! Glad to hear you want to help.
To be honest, it's probably a good idea for you to start with what you know best. If there's something in particular you think you're knowledgeable about regarding the Alien/Predator franchises, then see if you can add anything related to that. I've been doing a lot of work on the many articles relating to the films, because I know them very well. I've also recently read the novelizations of those films and added a lot of info from them. But if there's some part of the franchise you know a lot about, see if you can add anything new related to that. Just try to add references where you can, because that's another thing we're all trying to improve around here!--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 20:31, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Leigh,

I'm wondering why you reverted the edits I made to the page for the Predator (1987) film.

You cited the reason as "excessively detailed plot synopsis."

I'm curious as to why you interpreted my edits that way. When you look at the side-by-side it appears that I only added 6 lines overall to the page so I don't think that's excessive, most of which was clarifying vaguely worded sentences. What I was mainly doing however was fixing grammatical issues such as frequent use of passive voice, comma splices, and run-on sentences.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Twactor Head (talk) (Contribs) 14:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)Twactor Head

Sorry, I must've forgotten to reply, I haven't been on here so much lately. Generally speaking, the movie plot synopses on this wiki are kept fairly vague, to prevent them becoming convoluted or overly long. There's no need to put every single detail of the movie into them, and there's no need to include quotes from characters — that kind of info can be left to the character articles. Just a general overview will more than suffice. I felt the information you added went beyond that.
Anyway, I hope I didn't cause any offence. I noticed you made some further edits after my recent changes and they're absolutely fine. By all means fix bad language and grammar. I just felt you went a little overboard with the quotes and the mentioning of rather minor moments in the film that had no real bearing on the overall plot.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:16, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

10×28mm CaselessEdit

It is in fact a prop that was said to have been seen in Aliens-Mr.Secord (talk) (Contribs) 18:45, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to see where you got that information, because I have never seen those rounds in the film. The only bullets you ever see on-screen are the empty .45 ACP casings being ejected from Vasquez's Pulse Rifle in some scenes (which is of course a goof, as the weapon is supposed to fire caseless rounds that would not eject any brass). As I said, according to the book Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual, the caseless ammunition used by USCM weapons is rectangular in shape, similar to the ammunition used by the Heckler & Koch G11. The bullets in that picture you uploaded look more like the FN 5.7×28mm round used in the P90 and Five-seveN, and that round was not introduced until the early 90s, well after Aliens was made. It looks a lot like a fan-made image to me.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:16, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
That's because it is a fan-made prop. The description for the ammuniton on the Yourprops page says "The belted caseless rounds that I made for the smart gun. Totally hypothetical but in most cases many smart gun owners would like to have something to show in the feed tray of their gun. The propellant portion is resion and the bullets are 8mm mauser...(though in the book the SG is supposed to be 10x28mm) The rounds fit in 7.62 diintegrating links but will also fit vintage Mg42/34 belts" --Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 08:26, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well F.Y.I; I don't have an Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual so I wouldn't realize that it was in fact rectangular.-Mr.Secord (talk) (Contribs) 12:58, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. No one's accusing you of being deliberately misleading. We're just letting you know that you're misinformed.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 13:59, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Deliberately misleading? Now I'm insulted-Mr.Secord (talk) (Contribs) 17:24, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Please re-read what I said. I said NO ONE is accusing you of being deliberately misleading. You just sounded like you were insulted by what we said, so I was trying to make it clear no one was insulting you, we were just pointing out that you were mistaken.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 17:45, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Alright sorry sometimes I get a little ahead of myself-Mr.Secord (talk) (Contribs) 18:20, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Patroller and CVU Edit

Due to your continued good contributions and excellent behavior, I am giving you rollback rights along with chat moderator rights. Any rights you get is long overdue in my opinion but I had to wait for another admin to become active, luckily enough Ultimatex has already suggested what I have already been considering but for now I can offer you the role of a Patroller. We could use some good members making sure the recent activity is clean of vandalism and other issues. I will be overhauling this wiki soon, adding more measures to make sure everything stays clean and orderly, making sure sources are a primary concern for the wiki and maybe adding a source tier since I can understand the fact that not everything will be easy to source and some can be questionable.

Also I am going add a CVU page and group here to root out vandals. Its a defunct unit of the main wikipedia but I believe in being safe rather than sorry, so I want a group of dedicated members to root vandalism.  You can volunteer too if you wish. Let me know your decision because a patroller and CVU is just entirely voluntary. 

I will be adding some barnstars to your profile user page as well, you earned it my friend. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 19:20, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much!
Fortunately this wiki doesn't seem to be too badly plagued by vandalism, but I agree it could use more references. I've been doing my best in that regard, but some of the worst offending pages are those relating to the expanded universe comics and novels, and I'm afraid I know virtually nothing about them.
And I do still plan to finish my overhaul of the character pages for the Alien films (I've kinda skipped Alien3 for now), I've just been unexpectedly sidetracked lately!--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:13, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Aliens: Colonial Marines opening paragraph. Edit

That was probably the most best edited words you could possbile put on there. Where is this overall opinion? By accepting this game as "What if Corporal Dwayne Hicks got his Alien 3?" would be best suited to the page.

Actually if everyone reads this that likes that edit that was made would perfectly fit in with this "overall opinion". Bad writing? Who was expecting William Shakespeare? Most of those plotholes has been fully answered now within the game media.

Please sign your posts on talk pages.
Personal enjoyment aside, I could link to any number of reviews that point out how disappointing this game was. As for the quality of the writing, why shouldn't we have expected better? Fox and Gearbox continually told us how we were going to get a true Aliens experience with this game, and the end product clearly did match up to that statement. Just compare the character dialogue in Aliens with that presented in the game — they don't even nearly compare in terms of quality. That is not opinion, that is fact. Aliens was a great depiction of the relationship between soldiers, whereas the game had no character development whatsoever. The voice acting in the game was also very bad, particularly from Michael Biehn, who sounded as though he was asleep for most of his lines.
And forgetting for a moment that you needed to buy additional content for the story to actually make sense, there were still other gaping plot holes in the game that are never addressed. Why is Hadley's Hope still there, when in the film it is plainly stated it will be completely vaporized? Why is Michael Weyland so interested in Ripely, when he's got all the Xenomorphs he needs on LV-426? It was a blatant example of shoddy writing, and saying we shouldn't expect anything better is just ridiculous.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 12:02, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
If you can give me a post Stasis Interrupted review be glady to read this "overall opinion". Sorry if you could'nt afford to buy the DLC was'nt everyone attacking Capcom over this?
Remember when Ash said "Kane Son"? Image that coming from Michael Weyland "Ripley's daugther".
Why Hadley's Hope is still there hmmm what did you say when you first saw the E3 trailers past two years? I did'nt questin that as I thought this was science fiction so everything is possbile.
Many Hollywood actors shamefully phone in there performance look at Bruce Willis this year alone. Nothing against him just that Sylvester Stallone just drop him from Ex3 for being "greedy".
Okay hope that signing works.Decoy Turk (talk) (Contribs) 11:03, August 29, 2013 (UTC) Decoy_Turk
I can afford the DLC, and I have played it. My point is, I shouldn't HAVE to buy extra content for the original to make sense at a fundamental level. Would you be happy if you bought a house, only to find out later you had to pay more to use the bedroom? Would you happily buy a DVD, only to find out you needed to fork over more cash to watch the first act of the film? No. Separating out major plot points into DLC is shameless money-grabbing at it's worst, and reflects very poorly upon the game. They could've made interesting DLC content without cutting major plot details from the main game.
The Xenomorph incubating inside Ripely is irrelevant. Weyland-Yutani want the Xenomorph. They already have hundreds of them, including a Queen, on LV-426. So why bother launching a costly expedition to Fury 161 to recover Ripely when they've already got what they need? I'm sure you could come up with a logical explanation, my point is the game never gives us one. THAT is shoddy writing.
I've been questioning why Hadley's Hope is in the game ever since I first heard about it. In Aliens, Bishop specifically says the entire area will be "a vapour cloud" once the Atmosphere Processor explodes. Yet in the game, there it is, damaged but certainly still there. And don't even try and claim it's OK because it's sci-fi. Sci-fi isn't a licence to contradict yourself. Again, there could conceivably be an explanation, but none was offered or even suggested in the game. Again, bad writing.
As for the voice acting, my point was, if Biehn had been given the kind of quality script we were led to believe we were getting, maybe he would've shown more enthusiasm. As it is, I can't blame him for doing a half-arsed job.
Of course none of this changes the fact that overall opinion of the game is very poor. You enjoyed it, fair enough. I quite enjoyed it, in parts. But I can still see it's glaring faults, and my own personal opinion doesn't change the fact that most people were hugely disappointed by it, particularly with regards to its plot. Just go to the Wikipedia page, there are numerous referenced reviews criticising the game's plot.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 11:35, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

New Blood Needed Edit

Respect to the people love the 2013 game.

Please sign your posts using the signature button at the top of the page.
I have no problem with people who enjoyed Aliens: Colonial Marines. But the article on here should reflect the overall consensus on the game, not one individual's opinion.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 11:59, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Technical Manual TemplateEdit

Just wanted to let you known that I've created a template for the tech manual so now if you type in {{ACMTM}} it will give you Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual. Also if you are viewing this in source ignore the nowiki stuff :)--Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 05:21, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd already noticed. Thanks!--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 07:54, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

RPF account?Edit

Just wanted to know if this is you [1].--Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 18:59, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, never seen that site before!--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:10, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


Do you have any idea what the "USCM RPG" Wiki is about? It does not seem to be about the Aliens: Adventure Game book and I've noticed alot of our pages source the wiki in the Sources section (such as the Mk.50 Compression Suit which claims that the suits seen in the Tech Manual and Alien are the same thing even though they are very different)--Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 20:32, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea. By the looks of it it seems to be fan-made.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:07, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe its about the Technical Readouts from the UK Aliens magazine? I don't own any of them so I couldn't tell.--Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 04:11, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Comic Template fix Edit

Hey Leigh, Toa said he fixed the template issue, try testing it out with the stuff you wanted to cite. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 01:44, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Great, I'll give it a go once I'm done going through the backlog of stuff I missed while on holiday :) --Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 09:13, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, Welcome back by the way. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 09:49, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks!--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 09:57, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Alien Editing ScriptEdit

Found thisif you want to read it.--Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 02:00, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome, I'll try and have a look at that when I get a chance.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:53, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Weyland InvestorsEdit

Do you have any idea if this is official?--Toa Quarax (talk) (Contribs) 02:50, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

My initial thought was no, but it could be an official blog designed to "leak" information.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:54, October 14, 2013 (UTC)


Here's a list of a ton of the scripts from the film you can't actually view the ones he has though :( --Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:51, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've seen that, but like you say none of them are available to view. Most of the info I have on scenes cut from early scripts actually came from that guy's website.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:06, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Prometheus Deleted ScenesEdit

If you wanted to add the deleted scenes for Prometheus I found this list.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:51, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

I also found these pictures.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:51, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

I was going to say, if anyone has the AVP films or Prometheus on DVD/Blu-ray, they could at least add the deleted scenes from those into the article. I'm afraid I don't own them myself.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:06, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
here's another list--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:50, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
Two more [2] [3]--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 04:06, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Harpoon GunEdit

Do you know what the harpoon gun from the end of Alien is known as in the novel?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 00:33, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't remember it having a name. I'll check when I get in.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 08:07, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
Finally got round to checking the novel, no luck on the harpoon gun, it doesn't even exist in the book! Probably should've remembered that, as I mentioned it on the Alien novel page.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 20:08, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
Well that's a good addition to the trivia section at least.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs)

Aliens scriptEdit

Here. Apparently the suits the deep salvage team wear are "bio-isolation suits".--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:19, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

That sounds more like a generic technical term than an actual name to me, but I'll have a look through the script and see what I can find.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 07:59, October 25, 2013 (UTC)


Here you go:


You can also find all the old ones here.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs)

Thanks for that. Seems to have switched itself back to the old one already though! Are you seeing it too?--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 16:24, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
Oh yeah. That's weird because the logo would instantly change when I was uploading the Halloween one.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 16:28, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Tech Manual VersionEdit

Hey Leigh, just wanted to know if you owned the 2012 or 1996 version of the Tech Manual. I'm trying to find out if there are any differences between the two versions since I've noticed some scans of the Tech Manual had color where mine (the 2012 version) did not.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 07:42, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure mine's a 2012 print. I don't remember there being any black-and-white images in mine though... Want to give me a page number as an example so I can check?--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 09:06, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
Page 24. I've seen the lines outing to the M42A in red, but the lines in mine are black. Or if you want to know which version yours is, just check the cover. The old one's image of the dropship is red and the new one's is yellow-green.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:36, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
OK. I had a quick scan through last night, but I didn't know what I was looking for at the time so I didn't notice those changes. I'm sure mine is a 2012 print though, I bought it off Amazon last year and it was brand new, so it's very unlikely it was an original. I think they sold out a few years ago.--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 09:18, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's probably the 2012 version then. Guess I'll have to find scans of the original since buying one is way too much.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 15:59, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
Do you know of any major differences between the two versions, beyond some different colours here and there?--Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 16:03, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
There is supposed to be 159 pages in the original and 160 in the new one, although I'm not sure how. Also the covers are different on both. not sure if the backs are too.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 16:11, November 12, 2013 (UTC)


The backs are slightly different.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 16:20, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

I see. Well I definitely have the new version. Perhaps the extra page is legal stuff to do with the reprinting. Hard to know without an original copy to check. I very much doubt it had any in-universe info added though.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 15:45, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Fan FicEdit

XenoFace (talk) (Contribs) 18:48, November 27, 2013 (UTC)XenoFace

sorry for the yellow highlights i forogt to take them off

Alos this a story i made up a few weeks ago i just got back into typeing it

Thanks for sharing, but another user's talk page is not really the place for this. By all means place it on your own user page, or create a blog post about it. There was talk a while ago of creating an area on this wiki dedicated to fan fiction, I'll ask around and see if any progress was made in that regard.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:05, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Help identifying pistolEdit


Think you can identify the pistol here? Image probably isn't clear enough to identify it, but thought I would try anyways. Why do these cards have to be so rare? It's really annoying.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:52, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Wow. Xenmrph won like 500 of these cards back in 2008 for SUPER cheap.[4] Wonder if he still has them. Maybe he will be able to get better scans of it.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 21:14, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
Looks like a Beretta 92 to me. Impossible to tell which exact model, but it's probably a 92FS as they're the most common and the one in the picture has the squared trigger guard.
Yeah, we could do with some better images of the cards.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:49, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
Ok so I just won all three starter packs (Marine, Alien and Predator) on eBay and hopefully I can get this card. If it's part of the Resurrection expansion I don't think it's possible for me to get it though.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:04, December 23, 2013 (UTC)
I'm fairly confident the one in this image is a 92FS. But hopefully there'll be some good info on these cards we can add.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 10:03, December 23, 2013 (UTC)
Good news, I got four of them. Doesn't look like having the card will make it any easier though. It also looks like a lot of my cards are misprints. So great.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:37, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Random posterEdit


Randomly found this poster in my basement. Thought you might like it.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 04:35, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome :) Might nick that image and put it on the MV wiki!--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:18, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Interesting ACM stuffEdit

[5][6]--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:53, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing. It's such a shame, it really does sound like the game could've been so much more. What I really don't get is how I keep hearing all the best stuff was actually dropped from the game during development. Why would they drop the better aspects?--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:26, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
Speaking about dropped stuff, look at the old Collector's Edition. It was going to include "Lost Episode Storyboards". Interesting. It also looks like pretty much everything in the edition was going to be at least slightly different. The Power Loader and Warrior are in a different position, the base of the statue just says "Colonial Marine", the game's cover is different (or at least darker), etc. I would also like to know how the "M577 A2 Smart Gun" would have been different from the M56.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:52, December 24, 2013 (UTC)


Stolen iffs

At first I thought these were Franchi LF-57s, but a few things didn't match up. Then I remembered the MPL (which I totally don't know about because I played COD: Black Ops) and it appears to be a match. What do you think?


Walther mpl 2

The picture is from the Stolen IFFs card from the cancelled Atmosphere expansion for the Alien Predator CCG if you were wondering.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:02, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

I think you're right, the magazine housing gives it away.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:52, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Scans of Jaguar AVP game manualEdit

I've finally located scans of the manual for the Jaguar AVP game here. As I suspected, the manual contains some useful info on some of the weapons and equipment in the game. You might want to take a look.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:53, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ha, they use "Wrist Blade" for a twin-bladed one.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:55, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
I've found a few others:
  • [7]
  • I can't find this on anymore. It was slightly different scans of the manual above.
  • [8] (for the Sega Genesis Alien 3 game. Very common on eBay.)
--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 03:33, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
Those last few links appear to be broken, but I'll definitely check out the rest.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:17, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
Oh I know where I messed up. I'll fix it.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 16:57, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
They weren't showing up in search anymore for some reason so I had to go back in my history to find them. Weird.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 17:16, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

AVP TumblrEdit

These guys usually post some nice images.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 00:12, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Speaking about images, if you needed screen shots from AVP 2010...--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:38, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Alien: IsolationEdit

This game is based on Alien where Ellen Ripley's daughter, Amanda Ripley-McClaren enters the commercial trading space vessel Sevastopol and find the flight recorder to find out what has happened to her mother and the crew of Nostromo.

Did Amanda heard the explosion of Nostromo? Or did she got a messages for her mother?Ben800013 (talk) (Contribs) 16:25, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

She couldn't possibly have heard the explosion. But Weyland-Yutani would know the ship was missing. They may have received Ripley's final message from the end of the film. That alone would be enough for Amanda to go looking for answers.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:30, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
LOL no one could have heard the Nostromo explode because not only was it years and years away from earth but there is no sound in space, So as Leigh said, it could be because of the message, though if W-Y heard it first and going by their "expanded universe" depiction (where they are evil and laughably corrupt)I doubt they will let anyone else hear the message....unless they hope Amanda gets infected and brings something back. Well this better be a good game, still don't think they should have used a "Ripley" as a character, but people just won't leave the character and name a alone, in fact I hear that Alien: Sea of Sorrow's description says something about Ripley's descendents being targeted by W-Y. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 09:36, April 4, 2014 (UTC)


Instead of making new headings every time, I'll just post any interesting links and stuff I find here.

--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:39, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 21:35, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 21:43, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Good idea, thanks. And thanks for the link to the Alien and AVP scripts, I was thinking of moving on to the other films once I'm finished with the Alien3 script articles. I'm not sure how different the other screenplays are from the finished product though, I've never read them, but they may not warrant separate articles.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 11:32, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:32, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 03:01, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

[10] --Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 03:21, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Source for original A:OOTS release dateEdit

Do you think you can get a source for the original release date of Alien: Out of the Shadows being in December?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:52, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Film novelizations being re-released?Edit

It looks like the novelizations of the Alien films (except for Resurrection? Maybe it just wasn't added to Amazon yet) are being re-released or something. Here's Alien3, here's Aliens and here's Alien. I'm also noticing that Alien: Sea of Sorrows, Alien: Out of the Shadows and these books all have 320 pages... Great that's FIVE books I'm going to have to pre-order. At least I can get these shipped to Canada, unlike the other two novels (AOOTS and ASOS).--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:18, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Those film novelizations seem to be Kindle-only. It's a pain, because I don't like e-readers, but loads of old books are being re-released only in that format. If you want physical copies of the novelizations, I think the omnibus edition containing the first three is still in print. That's the version I bought from Amazon quite recently, and it was brand new. It doesn't include Resurrection, though, as that was by a different author. The other books I own (Resurrection, and the first two Predator novelizations) I had to get second-hand because they've been out of print for a while.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 12:51, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Actually they are releasing them in mass-market paperbacks too (here's the Alien3 one) and they are all being published by Titan Books.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 18:26, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I stand corrected! Well I recommend them if you're interested. Alien and Aliens are really good. Alien3 starts really well but it kinda runs out of steam towards the end, you can tell Foster was a bit bored with it. But it's still a well-written, interesting read.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 19:33, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Aliens vs. Predator (2010) BradyGames Official Strategy GuideEdit

Think you can improve this article? I would start by dropping "(2010)" from the title because there hasn't been another Brady Games guide for a game just called "Aliens vs. Predator" or something similar.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 06:12, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have a look at it over the next few days.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 19:31, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

MonoBook skinEdit

Here's a cool little thing I just discovered. If you add "?useskin=monobook" to the end of the url, it changes it to the MonoBook skin (the more Wikipedia-like one). Also, if you go into my preferences, you can make it default. BTW: Xenopedia looks terrible in MonoBook. I'll try and fix it.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 05:58, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed a little while back that there were alternate skins, but I didn't really try any of them out.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:47, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining that to me ToaTusk 15:35, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Bad PageEdit

Some kid decided to make a fake page called Adilgashi and wrote stuff which I'm not going to say, if you can please delete. It's really stupid haha.

Also quick question what kind of picture do you want for the profile of the Typhoon? I'm guessing the ones I'm putting up aren't good enough.Mr.Berserker (talk) (Contribs) 10:55, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
The pictures are fine, the problem is, we don't know for sure that the dropships in them (seen early in the Marine and Alien campaigns) are actually Typhoon. There could well be more than one dropship on the planet (in fact, there probably is, at least early in the game). The only dropship that can be positively identified as Typhoon is the one shot down over the jungle. I agree the page needs an image, but we need to be sure it's of the right dropship.
Also, in future, could you please sign you posts on other users' talk pages, using the signature button in the toolbar? It just makes it a lot easier to see who is talking to you. Thanks!--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 10:40, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: So your images aren't wasted, I've added them to the main UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship page.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 10:42, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
Alright thanks so much, the pictures of the Typhoon were taken from the game's trailer early during its pre-release stage. Presumely it should be the Typhoon, but I can't be completely sure of it.Mr.Berserker (talk) (Contribs) 10:56, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Those dropships do appear in the finished game, but they're never identified by name, and like you say, it's impossible to be sure they're the same craft as the one that's shot down in the jungle. Unless we can prove it, we can't really use them on the Typhoon article.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 11:52, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Aliens: Colonial Marines Special Edition?Edit

What is that? Are you talking about the Extermination or Limited Edition?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 16:25, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

I got the super-duper version that came with the statue. I'll be honest, I can't actually remember what the official name is. Maybe it was the Collector's Edition? Either way, the statue is easily the best thing about it, it's much cooler than the game. And thanks to Amazon screwing up, I pre-ordered it for less than the price of the normal version of the game :D --Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 16:28, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
Oh yes, the "Collector's Edition". I payed 18 Canadian for it on clearance at Target (which was cheaper than what they were selling the normal game for :D). They had two. Probably should have bought the other one. Could have made some money on eBay.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:32, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Royce's TeamEdit

Royce's team is missing Hanzo, I tried to add him but don't know how to haha. Maybe you can help me add him, thanks. Perhaps the Crucified Predator can be in there too? He did help Royce in some ways after all.Mr.Berserker (talk) (Contribs) 00:06, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like Hanzo is a part of the "Royce's team" category (he might have been added between you posting on my wall and me replying now). To add pages to categories, you can enter them in the box at the bottom of the article. (There's an "Add category" button; click it, then type in the category you want to add and hit enter. As you type, matching categories that already exist will appear and you can click on them to select them.) You can also add categories while editing pages, using a box on the right of the screen, beneath where the "Publish" button is.
As for the Crucified Predator, I'm not really sure he should be added. As it is I'm not sure about the "Royce's team" category, because they weren't really a team... They were just thrown together by fate, and were basically just a group of random individuals. But I can't really think of a better word than "team" for them.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:02, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Since I have no idea who to askEdit

Wouldn't the [[w:c:wiki:Random Article|Random Article]]-style link be preferable over the [ Random Article]-style link? —Super Saiyan 7 Somebody | talk | edits 17:48, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

You may be right. I have simply been copying the format previous in use on this wiki until now. I suppose it doesn't really hurt to use the latter type, but from now on I will switch to the former.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:18, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Coventry in the south?Edit

Would you say Coventry is in the south of England?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:53, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

More like the Midlands.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 20:16, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

New MessageEdit

Hi, not sure if I got an automated message from you or not but you're welcome if it was you lol, I was just online and saw Snake as a profile picture for Hippie/Shaman on a wiki which normally correct so being the massive Alien/Prometheus/Predator fan that I am, I decided to take matters into my own hands. Since I love the series so much I definitely want to help keep this Wiki 1000% accurate.

Quick question, I'm using a tablet and it won't let me upload an avatar image?

Thanks again, -Jann Elderpredator

Do you mean the welcome message for making your first edit? Because if so that was entirely automated, but you're welcome all the same! No problem with switching to a correct image, obviously if something on here is incorrect it should be changed!
Afraid I can't help with the avatar problem, I don't own a tablet myself.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:51, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem, and thanks again Leigh!

JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 08:56, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Prometheus Mercenary Continuity ErrorEdit

Dude don't know if anyone else noticed this but there's a huge continuity error during Fifield's attack on the hanger. Fifield kills a bunch of mercs including Sheppard as he throws him against the RT-01, however Sheppard appears seconds later in the RT-01 driving it in reverse and helped crushing Fifield so Janek can kill him with the flamethrower. Sheppard then drives off onto the surface of LV-223 only to be never seened again.

Jackson was also seen shooting Fifield, he escape into the RT-01 with Sheppard. But appears in the room with Weyland seconds later as Shaw walks in, he even helps Shaw up.

And at last Vladimir, he was seen getting killed by Fifield with an axe. But he also appears seconds later with Jackson helping Shaw up as she stumbles into the room where old man Weyland is getting his feet cleaned.

I think all of this was due to scene changes(I remember seeing this in the Prometheus: A Furious God documentary). Where Weyland was supposed to talk to Shaw and then enter the hanger where they encounter the mutated Fifield. You can even see a few frame of the the original scene in the Prometheus Teaser trailer where Jackson is shooting his pistol while Weyland is in the background in the elevator. Anyways I made the changes to the pages they corresponded to, I just thought it was pretty funny seeing people dying and reappearing in a Ridley Scott movie haha.Mr.Berserker (talk) (Contribs) 11:32, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply! I noticed you'd added the info to the Goofs page, good spot. I haven't seen the film since it came out so I never noticed. Did you say the Furious Gods making-of covers how the scene was moved to earlier in the film? Because if so we can use it as a reference and add that info to the relevant pages.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:04, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Film CaptureEdit

Thanks for that, had already asked Toa what I should do lol. JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 12:53, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah just read your comment on Toa's page =}, I agree that Production Stills are probably superior for clarity and character representation but I definitely see why screenshots are better for default (people probably recognize them quicker lol) JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 12:58, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Leigh,

Yeah sure no problem, I'll find one or two pics to match each of the scenes descriptions listed on the articles. JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 13:04, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Ahh I see, thank you for pointing that out, should be done in no time. By the way I have an article from a blog I really like about the Alien 3 Workprint version that I believe you'll find interesting: --JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 13:25, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Awesome =}, well the Alien vs. Predator Unrated Edition, and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem Unrated Edition have been updated! --JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 14:20, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

...Anytime...haha. --JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 14:32, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah had the name Jupiter in my head for some reason haha, didn't even notice. Thanks for correcting that--JANN ELDERPREDATOR (talk) (Contribs) 14:37, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Crew insignia portfolioEdit

Did you use this when you were doing revisions of the article on the Three World Empire and such?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 21:38, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, I just used the Strange Shapes article I referenced on the page, but comparing the two it seems the article used some of the images from there. I've never seen that before. Looks interesting.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:53, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Useful articleEdit

I though you might find this 5-page article useful for the Arceon article.

Now, now, Toa. Sign your posts please. You're supposed to be an admin :P
Thanks a lot, that looks great, I was hoping to find some more info on it. I'll have a good read through it and see what's worth adding.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:07, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
Dang, I'm getting too used to making edits in my Motion Tracker blog.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:08, July 1, 2014 (UTC)


Hello Thank you for editing mine post on about the mainframe and how did she get the information about Xenomorph project. I wasn't logged at the time so it was me who did it :). Makes a bit more sense now. But there is now "covert op the government was involved in. " in the movie she says "covert op the governmen ever dreamed of" I think it would be better to have dreamed of ?? Because at the time it was just dream I guess and the operation wasn't in move yet. Lumicko (talk) (Contribs) 15:11, July 13, 2014 (UTC) Lumicko

No problem, I'm glad you appreciate me tidying it up a little. I used "involved with" because it sounds a little more professional that "dreamed of", which is a bit dialogue-y. Besides, if it's an operation the government is still planning, they're still involved with it, it just doesn't exist physically yet. Make sense?--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 16:45, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

You don't agree Ripley should have let that bastard Burke pop, Mr Burne? Edit

Liu Jen Hao (talk) (Contribs) 15:27, July 14, 2014 (UTC) Hi Mr Burne

Carter J Burke ruined, nay DESTROYED the lives of 157 innocent people, including children.

And in spite of sobbing "please kill me", I highly doubt poor Mary ACTUALLY wanted to die; she would no doubt still want to live so she can have a happy family and watch her children grow up, and NOT be reduced from a human being with hopes and dreams into a glorified womb and canteen for a worm with teeth; her sheer despair and grief mixed with terror was if anything even MORE painful to watch than her humiliating final death.

All this just so Burke can have a condo and use the executive washroom. :(

Letting the bastard pop is JUSTICE, it is only fitting that HE should know EXACTLY what it feels like to be HUMILIATED like that; and in her self righteous-act of mercy, Ripley DID rob Burke's victims of the JUSTICE that they deserved.

In a way, Thank Goodness that scene was deleted, or I would have NOT been able to care about Ripley for the rest of teh Franchise.

I won't re-edit the article, but what are your throughts on the retribution that Carter J Burke deserved? :)

Sincerely Liu Jenhao (Family Name First, hence "Jenhao" and not "Liu")

Liu, this is a wiki and as such, its place for facts not personal opinions (unless in blogs and talk pages etc), also articles have to be done in a neutral point of view, one cannot express their emotions in an article. Leigh's opinion on whether Burke deserved to die painfully would be irrelevant as he undid your edit because it was no longer in an NPOV, not because Leigh disagreed with your opinion, he can be here to give his opinion himself when he gets on. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 20:04, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply, I've been away for a week. As it is, Cruentus has already answered for me — articles are not supposed to contain personal opinion, but simply describe the facts. I felt your edits contravened that rule.
As for my personal opinion, I quite like the idea of Ripley finding Burke in the Hive, and I love how she doesn't kill Burke herself but just gives him a grenade — she's forcing him to commit suicide, rather than waste any of her own time to end his suffering. It's like she's saying, "You got yourself into this, you can get yourself out... if you've got the guts." But the way it was filmed didn't really seem to work and I think it's best they cut it from the movie.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:40, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Alien novelization helpEdit

I've heard that the novelization of Alien mentions that the Nostromo has two shuttles, but one is out of service. Do you think you could double check that and get a page reference?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 02:01, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Possibly. Early scripts for the film definitely stated the Nostromo was supposed to have two. I can't remember if the book agreed with that, but I'll try and have a look when I get a chance. It might mean re-reading the whole novel though, because I've no idea where it might be mentioned.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:43, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
I forgot that I won the new print of the box in AvPGalaxy's contest. I'll see if I can find it myself; it'll give me an excuse to finally read it, I guess.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 18:35, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Aliens: Sea of Sorrows Edit

So sea of sorrows has been released, I will try and get a copy for myself soon. Remember when updating the page to add spoiler alerts and once I read the book, I will be sure to do the same as well as add character pages. Oh and I would like to see a review from you again as I found your last one fairly accurate. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 14:05, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, my copy arrived in the post today! Unfortunately I'm in the middle of another book at the moment, but hopefully it won't take me too long to finish and get onto the new one. And thanks, I'll be sure to write up some thoughts once I've finished it.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 14:11, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ammunition pagesEdit

Do you think all these pages on ammunition that actually exist are necessary?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:07, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't have thought so, but if this guy wants to create them they aren't really causing any damage. So long as they look professional I don't have a problem with them staying.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:50, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
What about weapons that can fire multiple cartridges (like the Blaser R93)? It's impossible to tell which one is being fired in the film. Should we just not make any pages on the ammunition it fires?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 18:16, July 28, 2014 (UTC)


Just a head's up, I'm updating a few of the images for characters in Aliens (i.e. Van Leuwen).--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 00:31, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Here's a full list of the pages with updated images:

It'll take a while before the images are displayed on the actual page. You're going to have to go to the image's page if you want to see the new versions (which should be completely different from the original versions, but sometimes will be displayed as the original).--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 00:52, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Cool, no problem. Just so you know, all the character images I uploaded are cropped to 4:5, so they all appear the same size on the pages. If you're gonna be replacing a few you might wanna keep them to the same ration :) --Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 19:40, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot about that. I'll redo the ones that can be cropped to that ratio.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:20, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
OK, all images should be in 4:5 (or 1:1.25) now. It also seems newer versions of pictures appear much faster than they used to.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:54, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
What do you think of the new image for The Alien (Xenomorph)?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:24, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
Probably better than the old one. It's always hard to get a decent shot of the Aliens because they're almost never shown clearly.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:47, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I went frame-by-frame in some scenes trying to find a good picture. It's always too dark, not enough of the Alien is visible, or it's too blurry.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 18:00, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah. The new picture's fine though. In fact, the only image you've added that I might query is the one for Brett. It looks kinda fuzzy, although if I'm honest I can't actually remember what the previous image was...--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:50, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
That's one's not too good, but I think it's better than the original:
I think I could find a better one, though.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 22:24, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
That's fair enough, I honestly couldn't remember what I'd uploaded back when I redid all the character pages, it was a while ago!--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)


Tell me when you've got a chance to talk in the chatroom.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:05, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I was away for a few days over the weekend, but I should be able to get on today. If you drop me a message on my talk page when you're about, I should see it and be able to get on.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:16, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
I'm in the chatroom now. I'll be on for a few more hours, so join when you can.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 00:27, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, it's 1:30 AM where you are. I'll try to wake up early tomorrow so I'll be online the same time as you.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 00:28, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Hah, yeah, sorry, didn't realise you'd be on so late. Maybe we should plan this a little more accurately! You're in Canada, right?--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:49, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
I'm currently in the US now. Are you on right now, or did I just miss you?14:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
I'm around, can get on now.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 14:32, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'm back.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 14:36, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
And I just realized I could have just sent you a PM on AvPGalaxy... Derp.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 17:17, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Haha no worries. Turns out I didn't have an account at Alien Legacy, but I've created one and it's been activated now.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:40, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it took a while, but he responded.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 21:52, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Trophies/achievement pagesEdit

Great job on the trophies/achievement pages. How did you get all of the images?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 17:34, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, cool. I skimmed thought it and the spoilers seem to be very minor; no deaths or anything big.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 20:58, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I've been meaning to do them for a while. I got the icons from a trophy hunting website, just copied them to an image program and saved them to my PC. Took a while (main reason I hadn't done it until now!) but worked quite nicely.
As for the Isolation trophies, that's awesome, I'll definitely have a look through those. But I can't really do a page until the same website has the icons! I'll do it when they're up though.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:05, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Apone rankEdit

On IMFDb, StanTheMan said, "He actually has US Army-style SFC chevrons, not Marine GySgt ones." Do you think we should open a thread on The Aliens Legacy? I'm pretty sure there's some ex-military guys there that would know.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 21:52, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

I actually noticed when I made the change back to Gunnery Sergeant on here that his insignia in the film are missing the crossed rifles found on the Gunnery Sergeant insignia images I found online, but I don't really know enough about the US military to know whether that was important.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 14:11, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Alien BTS stuffEdit

I finally found a PDF of Cinefex issue 1 (it takes a few minutes to load) while looking for some more BTS information on the flamethrower. There's tons of info and picture there; I haven't read through it myself yet. Also, have you seen this yet?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 03:14, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Cool, I'll have a look through it. I haven't seen those videos, no. You watched any of them yet?--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:10, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

I've watched a bit of some of them. The first one seems to have stuff we've heard before in the official documentaries, but the others contain tons of new information.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:10, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Laser pistol referenceEdit

Can you check your copy of the Alien novelization (which copy do you have, by the way?) for what page the guns in the film are said to be laser pistols? In the new version, it's on page 59.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 07:06, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I took all the page references for the novels from the Omnibus edition, which is the first three lumped into one book, because that was the only version I could get new/for a reasonable price at the time I decided to buy them. Then I noticed over the weekend that the new individual editions of the novels are paged up totally differently. Not sure what to do about this.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 08:20, September 1, 2014 (UTC)


Do you know where Jonesy just being a nickname for Jones comes from? I was thinking it might be from the novelization, but I'm unsure.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I just checked myself (page 11 in the 2014 version), and it clearly says his name is Jones, without even mentioning the nickname. Do you know if Jonesy is ever even mentioned in the novel?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:51, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Jonesy is ever used in the book, but it's definitely used by Brett in the film, and I have a feeling Ripley says it at some point too.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:54, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Awesome wiki :)

Script ListEdit

I thought you might find this list of scripts I recently made interesting:

  • Alien - 1976 Dan O' Bannon early draft
  • Alien - 1978 Walter Hill and David Giler unmarked draft
  • Alien - June 1978 Walter Hill and David Giler revised final before scene revisions
  • Alien - June 1978 Walter Hill and David Giler revised final
  • Alien - October 4, 1978 Walter Hill and David Giler revised final of June 1978 Walter Hill and David Giler final
  • Alien - December 28, 1978 Walter Hill and David Giler
  • Alien II - September 21, 1983 Walter Giler, David Hill, and James Cameron treatment
  • Aliens - February 26, 1985 James Cameron first draft
  • Aliens - May 28, 1985 James Cameron first draft
  • Hunter - July 27, 1985 James Thomas and John Thomas unmarked draft
  • Aliens - September 23, 1985 James Cameron final
  • Hunter - April 7, 1986-January 30, 1987 Jim Thomas and John Thomas unmarked draft
  • Alien III - William Gibson first draft
  • Alien III - 1987 William Gibson revised first draft screenplay
  • Alien 3 - January 1988 William Gibson second draft
  • Alien III - February 7, 1989 Eric Red first draft
  • Alien 3 - Eric Red (not the February 7, 1989 first draft)
  • Alien III - October 1989 David Twohy first draft
  • Predator 2 - October 6, 1989 first draft
  • Predator 2 - December 15, 1989 second draft
  • Predator 2 - January 16, 1990 third draft
  • Alien III - March 29, 1990 John Fasano first draft
  • Alien 3 - October 10, 1990 Hill and Giler unmarked draft
  • Alien 3 - December 18, 1990 Hill and Giler unmarked draft
  • Alien III - January 5, 1991 Rex Pickett 1st draft (December 18, 1990 Hiller and Giler rewrite)
  • Alien 3 - January 11, 1991 Hill and Giler final draft
  • Alien III - January 16, 1991-April 10, 1991 Hill and Giler revised
  • The Hunt: Alien vs. Predator - September 4, 1991 Peter Briggs screenplay
  • Predators - 1994 Robert Rodriguez draft
  • Alien 4 - 1995 Joss Whedon unmarked script
  • Alien Resurrection - September 14, 1995 Joss Whedon first draft
  • Alien Resurrection - 1995 Joss Whedon final draft script
  • Alien Resurrection (a.k.a Alien IV) - July 22, 1996 Joss Whedon optional 2nd revision
  • Alien Resurrection - 1997 Joss Whedon shooting script
  • Alien Resurrection - 1997 Joss Whedon final draft with storyboards
  • Alien: Earthbound - Stuart Hazeldine 14-page
  • Alien: Earthbound - Stuart Hazeldine 92-page
  • Predators - August 2, 1996 Robert Rodriguez first draft
  • AVP: Alien vs. Predator - early draft
  • Alien vs. Predator - September 26, 2003
  • Alien vs. Predator 2 - Shane Salerno first draft
  • Predators - July 12, 2009 Robert Rodriguez (revisions by Mike Finch and Alex Litvak)
  • Predators - shooting script
  • Alien: Engineers - Late 2009 Jon Spaihts outline
  • Alien: Engineers - December 25, 2009 Jon Spaihts first draft
  • Alien: Engineers - 2011 Jon Spaihts
  • Alien: LV-426
  • Alien: Genesis
  • Alien: Origins
  • Paradise - Damon Lindelof
  • Prometheus - shooting script

--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 01:48, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! I honestly didn't realise there were so many. Where did you get all the info from?--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:48, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
Alien Legend, an archived script trading page from the Weyland-Yutani Archives, an interview with Jon Spaihts, and the wiki's Alien: Engineers page.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 15:22, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Vincent Ward Alien IIIEdit

Have you seen this?--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 19:35, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

I had not, that's pretty cool. Some beautiful images in there. Sadly I don't think we can really use any of them though — the fact they're all watermarked makes me think they don't want them spread around. Plus a whole bunch of the best ones are copyrighted anyway.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 07:52, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

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