Talk: Prometheus (film)

CANCELED OR WHAT!!!

Whats the deal... If this movie is made it will be the end of all preqil movies and comics in the AvP universe, thankful alot of avp stuff happens in the future just not on the silver screen. WAVE ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 13:15, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Continue the Film!!!![]

I don't care if the film was out of money it's okay for me if the film released and i want to see the characters of prometheus.Thanks!

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I hope when the movie is released on DVD, they don't force people to use 3D. Too much of it can cause cancer, and I want to be able to watch a movie as much as I can without the threat of Death's greatest assassin.--{{SUBST:User:Shade Link/sig}} 22:28, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

3D doesn't cause cancer (as far as I know), but it's still an annoying fad. Cybermat47 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 22:47, April 16, 2013 (UTC)Cybermat47

Fan-made posters[]

Fan-made posters aren't official and should be removed.

Hasn't anyone else noticed that it says on Wikipedia that Ridley Scott has decided that Prometheus isn't going to be a prequel to Alien, even though it will have similar themes? TroopDude, 21:02, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

It is in the same fictional universe, it is set before the events in the first Alien film but it does not deal directly with the Alien creatures form those films, Ridley Scott said so himself, that is the quoute you are refering to. T-888 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 05:52, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Article for the ship[]

I know that it is kinda early for this, but shouldn't an article be made about the ship in the movie? T-888 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 05:50, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Continuity[]

I just saw the movie and as far as I can tell, there was nothing that would suggest, the Prometheus (and thus the entire Aliens series) take place in a different "movie universe" than Predator series and AVP series. Is there anything at all to confirm, that the Prometheus is in fact in a different universe? --ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 15:16, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

The official timeline on the film's website completely ignores the events of the AVP series, for one thing. Furthermore, Charles Bishop Weyland founded the Weyland Corp. in the AVP series, but Peter Weyland is credited as the founder in Prometheus instead. 207.216.193.21 04:40, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I read the timeline, it was interesting. But appart from this, there was nothing in the movie itself. Well yeah, Peter is not Charles, but Peter was only 14 yrs old, when Charles was killed. We can assume, that after Charles died, Peter reorganised and basically recreated the whole company, or started from scratch. I know, Sir Scott hate AVP series and want to stand appart from it (for one, I cannot blame him) but why have a two differnt universes with xenos? For me at least, it is same universe (It is same as with "Predators" - they said, they ignore events from AVP but, the movie takes place on game planet and said nothing about "non-existence" of Xenos, and they even took some parts seen in AVP like squad of Yautja operated in three or one-bladed long whrist-blade). Nevertheless, it is sad that we have two universe and inspite of this, I would sill have only one folder named AVP universe with 10 movies in it.--ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 06:45, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

@ScorpiO: Do not worry their is nothing that contradicts the AvP series in Prometheus and even the Weyland Corp website doesn't really contradict AvP. Funny thing about said website is it is missing alot of information that would be considered critical. Two things to take into consideration is this.

Charles Bishop Weyland is the founding Father of Weyland INDUSTRIES, Sir. Peter Weyland is the founder of Weyland CORPORATION. Industries are not the same as a Corporation and the names are not legally interchangeable. In addition to that all people writing any sort of materiel for the Alien Predator universe must respect the other creators work ergo Riddley Scott can not retcon AvP no matter how much he claims not to like it. Also when asked about things relating to AVP his writers said they had to respect canon of the other movies [needs citation]. If they were retconing them they would have said "We are retconing AvP."--WAVE ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:11, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. The AVP series made it fairly obvious that Weyland Industries was meant to merge with the Yutani Coporation to become Weyland-Yutani, but https://www.weylandindustries.com/timeline and Prometheus makes it fairly obvious that Weyland Corp becomes Weyland-Yutani. Ridley Scott was not a fan of the AVP series at all. If he wants to retcon it, he'll do so. This film ignores the AVP comics that state that Xenomorphs evolved on XenomorphPrime. 207.216.193.21 06:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  - Well, not folowing comics is not such a problem in a movie I think. And in case of "Industires" and "Corp". My personal explenatination is this - Charles Created Wayland Industries and in 2004 died. That same year, his relative Peter created his synthetic trachea and was awarded Nobel Prise. But he was only 14 so he had to wait 4 years to become CEO. Meanwhil in those 4 years, Industries could have collapsed or be renamed as Wayland Corp. And then, evrethnig as is said in timeline. Also, in 2004 miss Yutani received Predator´s gun and became very importand player. That is why (I think) Yutani became very advanced and powerful company. And finally after their fight with Wayland over the android, they make truce and finally merge together to create Wayland-Yutani "Building better worlds". That is my personal explanation and with it, all ten movies fit together :D :D --ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 07:22, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

@User207.216.193.21: In the AvP movies it is hinting at things to come, it never shows or says that Weyland Industries and the Yutani corporation were going to merge immediate. Weyland Industries does not become Weyland Corp, Weyland Corp is more than likely a subsidiary of Weyland Industries.

Basic difference between Corp and Industry.

- cor·po·ra·tion/ˌkôrpəˈrāSHən/

Noun:

   A company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.
   A group of people elected to govern a city, town, or borough

- in·dus·try/ˈindəstrē/

Noun:

   Economic activity concerned with the processing of raw materials and manufacture of goods in factories.
   A particular form or branch of economic or commercial activity: "the tourist industry".

Ridley Scott has no right to retcon the AvP movies and under Foxs regulations on canon, and how it is to be respected, will not allow it. Not to mention that in the blu-ray set for alien that came out during Prometheuss pre-production and possible production, they had a feature stating that the saga lives on through home video, games, comics, and novels. So those four mediums are canon, and that is not the only source showing that but it is the most major because it takes about all four mediums at once.

Lastly the bit of information you posted about one of the stories saying that Aliens evolved on Xenomorph prime is a inunivese mistake, that is correct in universe when they say in Aliens:Genocide that the aliens probably didn't even come from Xenomorph prime.--WAVE ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 15:58, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Talk of canon and continuity is an unstable topic to talk about because of what it can cause but i will my say piece here, keep in mind it is just my opinion. I think one of the reasons it rendered AVP non-canon or alternative continuity is because the jockey skull in AVPR. Engineers are human-like in appearance, the predator ship showed the skull as if the suit was the alien creature as previously thought by everyone. I think Prometheus does render the comics that show space jockeys as elephant like creatures non-canon. Destroying angel, book 2 (I think) and the one where it attacks people. Again just an opinion of mine. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 14:03, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the Engeneer´s scull in AVP-R is a bit problem but for me the explanation is this - Scull of Engeneer would be same as human scull, only bigger. So Predators made a trophy not from its scull - since it could be confused with "leeser" pray (humans) and instead used its biomechanical helmet. This helmet is in fact a scull, only artifically created etc. Again, it is only my personal explanation.--ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 15:04, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
If a Predator killed an Engineer, I see no reason why it would not take its actual skull and the "other" skull in avpr looked more bone than metal, so it was indeed supposed to be an actual jockey skull, however the new film Prometheus revealed that they are very humanoid and not "elephant-like" The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 15:22, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
Why would it looked like metal? The "suit" of Engeneers were biomechanical, as seen in both Alien and Prometheus, it looked like exoskeleton and indeed in Alien, Kane said that it is fosilized so it shoud have been made of bone-like material (there should be some calcium at least). Also, as i posted before, the reason for depicting helmet instead of an actual scull may be because the scull would be almost identical to a human scull and i believe that trophy of Engeneer is much more worth than trophy of human so if I would kill an Engeneer, i would be very disapointed if someone thought that the scull was human and not Engeneer. See my point? (well this is in fact jabber since we are only assuming) --ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:05, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

The skull is not exactly the same as humans, firstly it would be larger and the nose of an engineer comes from it's forehead if i remember correctly, Predators would go for the skull not the helmet, there are a lot of skulls that they have and some do look similar to another. Just had a look at the the skull in AVPR. it really looks like a skull version of the helmet, so they (the film-makers of AVPR) did think that the suit was the creature. Regardless, we now know what the engineers were really like and they they created bio-weapons, at least that is one question answered. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:18, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

I Agree - just my silly explanation of how it would fit together. Nontheless, one shot on scull at the very begining of the movie is not the "destroyer of the continuity". X-men series had much more continuity problems and it is still one continuity :P . But I must ask: what will be the polici of this wiki. Is Prometheus in the same continuity with the whole series (all 9 movies) or does it state only with Alien?--ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:33, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Don't know yet but most pages are filled with all sorts of mixed info, which i personally disagree with but it is up to the boss on here. Here is a policy page http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Welcome_newcomers Hope that helps. As for "the destroyer of continuity" the skull is not the only issue, some people here are going on about peter weyland vs charles weyland and some even think they are related even though there is no proof or sourced info. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:44, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Thx for the link ;) . Well as far as I am concerned, issue with two Weylands is no issue at all. Remember, Charles was killed, when Peter was only 14 yrs old. So there is in fact nothing that contradicts AVP. In AVP it is Weyland Industries, in Promehteus Weyland Corp. Again, my personal explanation - Charles died in 2004 and Peter had to wait 4 yrs to become CEO. In those 4 YRS management of W Industries ruined the company and so when Peter was old enough, he had to start from scratch. He created his Corp, but maintained the logo and the name. This explantion fit into this two movies but again, it si my explanation. Btw. I also believe that Peter was relative to Charles but as You have said, there is absolutely no proof for this claim - hence: "I believe". --ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:54, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
No problem, if you need any help with anything just ask . The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:01, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
THX for offer but with all due respect, I do believe, that only Sir Scott, or someone from the Fox could help in this point as we "mere mortals" do not know if it is still in one continuity - I know that I probably repete myself and I am sorry for that. It is just that I really hate the idea of having two different universes with Aliens in it. Yeah AVP movies suck - especially the second movie - but it should still be in the same universe, same continuity, as it was intended from the very first moment.--ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:09, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
I meant help when it comes to the wiki such help finding pages or something. Though I don't know why having two or three universes would be a problem, one for alien, one predator and another for AVP, so whatever happened in alien 1 to 4 and predator 1 to 3 also happened in AVP but whatever happens in the avp universe would stay in the avp universe and not effect alien or predator. Does not seem so bad to me, but that is my opinion on it. When it comes to the wiki, all i care about is making sure info is sourced. Remember, if you need any pages found or something, then just ask.
Well, if the universes stayed alone (one for Predator, one for Alien) it would be great. But then AVP made it clear, that those two universes are the same - AVP are sequels to both predators and prequel to all four Aliens. Thus, denying this now is unfortunate. I get it, Sir Scott hates AVP - and who could blame him - but why should it be canceled or non-canon. It is simple. If Prometheus (and thus all the Aliens) take place in a different universe, I simply dont know what to do with the rest. Is predator in the same universe as AVP? Is predator in different universe than AVP? That would be three different universes and it would be quite a mess, at least in my oppinion. I liked it how they done it in Predators. They distanced themselves from AVP but in the movie itself, there is nothing that contradict AVPs, they simply are unreferenced at all. I can only hope, that perhaps sequel to Prometheus will make it clear.--ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:34, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Three separate universes would not make it non-canon, just that it will have a continuity separate to Alien and Predator. It is like before avp (films, comics) existed, Predator was canon and so was Alien but they were not connected back then, see where i am going with this? AVP could be a canon of its own (that way when one film goes bad, it does not sully the reputation of the others) of course this is just my opinion on the matter. I myself would love to see a decent avp movie, as long as it retcons the other avp movies. My two cents on that anyway. What I do like about prometheus is that it raises a lot of questions, and basically gets us to want more. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:45, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

I love how you people ignore canon facts set out by fox and or fox approved materiel, that the four mediums comics, novels, games, and home video, are canon. Even if fox had never confirmed those four sources as canon the Founding Father of the wiki "Cad" told me, I am the only original editor left, that on this wiki AvP will be considered canon even if fox declared it noncanon, which they wont.

Anyway the issues you all are having with the pilot skull can be rectified with these theories.

The pilots modifies them selves as well as creating bio-weapons.

The name pilot and or space jockey is a title not a species.

The skull in AvP-R is not a skull but a helmet. Yautja have on rare occasions taken possessions from there prey rather than taking skulls/skin.

As for the graphic novel appearance the same things can be said.

The species modifies themselves.

They are using a different model bio-mechanical suit.

- Humans use more them one brand of any type of survival suit/equipment. (take in mind destroying angels takes place more than 100 years after Prometheus)

- The main character laminated the fact that the pilots eyes looked dead, if she didn't know what she was looking at where lenses and not eyes they would have a glossy dead look.

And before you say "oh its not a suit because it wears a space suit in destroying angel," taken in mind it is dealing with Xenomorphs and is more than likely wearing a suit similar to a two piece hazmat.

Now taken in mind Fox is flexible with canon even between the alien movies the writers take major liberties to make a good story. If people are going to nit-pick about minor thing that might not match between avp and Prometheus, I can point out errors that would cause none of the aliens to be canon with each other and Prometheus.

read everything within the gated fence. --WAVE ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 18:26, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

People are allowed to have opinions and last I checked this was a talk page, so opinions are free to show here, Me and scorpio here were not talking about canon exactly, we were talking about the "issue" with the skull in avpr and if it would be so bad if the franchises were kept in their own universe. I gave my piece about it and he is allowed to have his. As for destroying angel, if that is the one with the owl, that space jockey was not very humanoid and like avpr, they probably assumed what was in the chair was the actual alien form. Not their fault really since you cannot predict a new film coming along with new info. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 18:50, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well first reaction to the universes. I admit, having three universes would solve few things but still it would make more sense to left them as one universe since it was intended to and it is in fact more clear. AVP:- I also would very much like to see another AVP movie but movie worth watching - first of all, set in a future, for instance: after Alien 3 (thus we could see colonial marines again :P) and Avp2 and 3 (games) showed us, that the story set in future could be veeeery good (I personaly think that story of those games is way better than in both films). The Prometheus clearly answered some questions and it was the first time after veery long time, when I sat at a cinema with my mouth open. But as You say, there were so many new questions unaswered so I personaly cant wait for sequel (I am preatty sure, that there will be at least one). And WAWE, I agree, there is written canon that cannot be simply discarted. I myself allways take canon as something "holly" most notably in Star wars but even there, canon can by retconed, changed or even in some works (tCW) completly ignored. So if it could happen in Star Wars, I believe it could happen here as well :( --ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:15, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

@Cruentus: I am stopping the spread of noncanon thoughts because they lead to noncanon actions. The Jocky in the story you are talking about was merged with a wall, in said wall had equipment to keep it alive.

@ScorpiO: The problem with your statement about things being retconed in ether star wars and the alien predator universes is that they both counter balance things out at least to keep things canon. Ignoring Star Wars, for the Aliens material when ever anything becomes noncanon and or an issue they redue the story. Fox has always demanded that darkhorse, or any other group, fix their material if it becomes noncanon so that it stays in continuity as is stated in the special features dealing with dark horse on both the Alien Quadrilogy and Alien Saga.

Keep in mind the newest special feature for the blu-ray set came out during Promethus production that deals with canon. Fox will not issue something dealing with canon if it is going to be retcond a couple months later. Not to mention Fox is FLEXIBLE with canon. So if you see minor or even major issues with other sources don't forget that fact. Like I said earlier, I can decanonize Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, and Resurrection easier than you and Cruentus could with the avps, and other mediums.

and my name is WAVE not WAWE.--WAVE ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:12, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me but who gave you the right to stop people having "non-canon" thoughts? nobody did, you do not get to tell others how to think or what to believe, if they do end up messing with pages then it will get dealt with. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:32, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

@Cruentus: Here is a quote from Leonardo da Vinci. “He who does not punish evil commands it to be done.”

Writers for movies, games, and novels see your comments, and by nipping noncanon comments in the bud those writers will see what is canon and what isn't. They come on here asking canon question AND I WILL MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THE TRUTH. As for messing up pages you and one of your new friends keeps screwing with the Alien Warrior Page, Ravager, Weyland Corp, and Sir. Peter Weyland pages. I find this very agitating especially because you claim that you correct noncanon information. --WAVE ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:42, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Having different opinions is hardly a crime or evil so that was a bad example you put there, so I recommend you stop trying to halt people's opinions. So show some respect to people.

I never said i correct non-canon info, I said I remove unconfimed info and wild assumptions. So don't put words in my mouth. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:50, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

@Wave I do not want "decanonize" anything. Quite the opposite. I´d love if the continuity remains one for all 10 movies (just one universe). We just pointed out some of the problems and tried to "explained" them in a way, they would fit together (two weylands etc...).--ScorpiO ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 10:47, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
i agree with scorpO i think its should alll be 1univerise

Post-Release updates[]

Since this film is out, this page needs to be re-done in the past-tence, and a Production/Development section should be added.- (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits) 05:42, June 14, 2012 (UTC)