Talk: Neomorph

Hello everybody, I'm new the Alien wiki - but I have an issue with one of the claims in the Neomorph post.  It claims that one of the Neomorphs was killed in the wheat field - however this is hard to verify as being true.

The first Neomorph undoubtedly gets peppered with shots - but clearly runs away, it does look like it might fall into the grass - but I'm more of the mind it ran away, as it does not appear to "drop".  The second Neomorph then shows up seconds later - and soon after the flare gun is launched, prompting it to flee as well.  As far as we see in the movie, both of them survive.  There is no corpse or body of the one in the wheat field, nothing.  No proof of death.  If the Neo really died in that scene - it was very, very poorly shot - because it would have died while it was already running into the distance and being obscured by grass.  It's so easy to mistake it's death as it running away.

The whole time in the theater I was wondering when the second Neomorph woud return, but it never did.  I came to the wiki and read the claim one died in the field, and so unsure of myself I ended up reviewing the movie - and that scene, 5 times now - and even rewatching it all those times while "knowing" I'm unable to escape the fact that it appear that neither of the Neomorphs die in that sequence.  Even my mate I saw the film with agrees.

Can anybody explain this or sort it out for me?   (Also I'm really sorry if this is the wrong way to start a discussion, I could not find anywhere else, so again, very sorry if this is misplaced).

Revival-ProjectSeriesDev ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:05, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

The first time I saw the film I thought the same as you — that one of the Neomorphs simply disappears from the film. However, when I watched Covenant for a second time, I realised the first does indeed die. It's not overly clear, but it definitely appears to slump to the floor dead moments before the screen cuts to the second one beginning its attack.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 20:57, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Well, I've heart something about a deleted scene featuring the secong neomorph where he appears with the protomorph at the same time, so it's quite possible that this neomorph actually survived and was meant to emerge again, but the scene was eventually cut out. Ravenlot 27 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:13, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

Infobox image

The picture in the infoox looks like it is from a bootleg of the film. There is a better image in the gallery. T-888 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:32, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

Novel Details

I've just finished reading the book for Alien: Covenant and yes, according to the book the first neomorph supposedly escapes from the landing ship during the explosion. It goes on to actually confront the xenomorph in combat as the survivors are trying to leave the planet with Tennessee. Unfortunately and rather brutally the neomorph gets a face full of the inner jaws of the xenomorph and dies. So the scene wasn't cut but rather completely changed to cut another scene that would have added another 5-10 minutes to the movie. Also while I'm here I thought I might add a bit of info about the lifecycle of the neomorph that is found in the book and not shared in the movie. In the movie there is no mention as to how the neomorph's lifecycle but the book does indicate as to that during a discussion between Walter and David that was cut form the movie. In the disccusion, David tells Walter that the spores can live in total inactivity for thousands of years "rendering the planet to be permanently uninhabitable." which explains why the crew never pick up reading of fauna while in contemplation of going to the new planet. David goes on to explain that the pathogen goes from egg to the clouds of motes, then to the evoled creature, then finally when no more suitable hosts are found the creature dies and forms new egg pods which remain in a suspended state of inactivity until a new suitable host is found. RenegadeD3V1L 21:50, December 3, 2017

Even the film shows the first creature escaping from the lander — it's just visible fleeing from the explosion, and the team is subsequently attacked by both of the Neomorphs in the wheat field, one of which is then shot dead.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 09:35, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I have read the novel many times. I think you are reading it wrongly. Let me explain. The "Spores" (called "motes" in the novel) are actually tiny, tiny insect parasites, which come from the infected pod things. They are NOT the same thing as the Pathogen (The black goo). In the novel David says -

“The pathogen itself has an extremely long lifespan,” he explained. “Given a suitable environment in which to exist in stasis, it can lie dormant for hundreds if not thousands of years until a suitable host presents itself and awakens it to commence the cycle again. If not controlled, a single application is quite capable of rendering an entire world permanently uninhabitable.”

It's the Pathogen black goo that has the long life, NOT the parasitic insect motes (spores) from the pods. Notice the words "Spore" or "Spores" are not mentioned anywhere in the novel at all. Please don't make things up and claim it's in the book. It just confuses things, about an already confusing story. Those tiny insect parasite motes are the equivalent of mini facehuggers, in the Neomorph lifecycle. They are the 4th stage of the cycle, after the pathogen infects some kind of fungus, causing the pods to form. On that specific page, when you read the words "offspring of the virus", David is talking about the parasite 4th stage, not the virus itself.

The Pathogen cycle goes like this -

Pathogen (Black goo) ---> Infects a host creature (Fungus) ---> Host creature mutates (Pods) ---> Parasite(s) come out (Tiny insect motes) ---> Parasites attack and infect a new host (Human) ---> New host births a Neomorph.

The novel also states that the pathogen itself will leave the first victim, and float off to infect new hosts (It's an airborn virus). This is again different to the parasitic insect motes, 4th stage of the cycle (Confusing, but keep reading everything David says.)

Also, the novel says NOTHING about the Neomorph dying and forming new egg pods. You are totally making this up, sorry. We have no idea how Neomorphs lay eggs etc. Do they have a Queen, like the Xenomorphs? Do they egg-morph victims? Do they just lay eggs on their own? It's never been described, so we don't know. Please re-read the page you quoted from, it helps to fully understand things.  TranscendentM ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 11:22, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

Please be more careful when editing talk pages and do not remove existing messages. Thanks.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 16:33, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

Acidic blood

My friend and I are having a discussion about this: is Neomorph blood acidic or not? I don't think it is (though that's because I'm going by the article). From his words: "Walter injures it when saving Daniels by punching the Neomorph in the mouth. Probably knocked some teeth out and caused other mouth injuries. His hand melts off." He goes on to explain that "His forearm is melting — and amplifies the fact Walter's hand is now missing. There is vapor clearly coming from it. It's a characteristic of Alien blood to demonstrate such reaction. Facehuggers have it. Aliens have it. Hammerpedes have it. How do you explain it...?" --JoeyRains2000 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 05:47, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

I've not seen the film since it came out, but I do recall Walter's arm having a distinctly melted appearance after. I guess it's possible the Neomorph merely has corrosive saliva rather than blood.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 17:26, October 22, 2018 (UTC)