Rename[]
Should the article be moved to "Deacon?" That appears to be the quasi-official name the special effects artists used according to this, whereas proto-xenomorph is just a fan nickname. Niirfa-sa (talk) (Contribs) 23:08, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I always thought the name "proto-xenomorph" was a little too presumptuous myself. We know next to nothing about it. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 23:24, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
- The name "Deacon" is cool and all, but that article doesn't exactly state that it was used by anybody but the concept artist, really, for the rough draft. And I quote: "Carlos Huante says he came up with some primitive, scary creatures, based on the real-life goblin shark. There was the Deacon, which eventually turned into "that blue thing that comes out of the Engineer" at the end of the film — but Huante's version was very different." From how I'm reading that the article states that the Deacon design wound up evolving into what the creature eventually was, hinting that it is not, in fact, a Deacon. Of course, it's not my wikia site and not my decision, and I won't exactly be upset if the article is renamed to Deacon; I just don't know if it's any more proper for that specific creature. — Somarinoa (talk) (Contribs) 00:35, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Shouldn't just be another species of Xenomorph? Since the Xenomorph's physiology is always different depending on what a facehugger infects/inpregnates, like the Dog Xenomorphs in Alien 3 for example, its not really a Proto- anything now is it?
- 97.101.141.227 00:12, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
- In further support, I think, of renaming the article we have this piece of concept art with the name "Deacon" attached.
- It seems to me very definite now that this wasn't just one artist's nickname, but the actual name these ued in production. It is, of course, possible, that Fox will apply another name later now that the cat's out of the bag and the creature's fair game for marketing, but we have no indication of this yet. Niirfa-sa (talk) (Contribs) 10:41, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Well I wouldn't mind the name change but best get a vote on it or something, ask the other admins on what their opinions on the matter are. if the majority agree then change it, if not then you can also add deacon as another name its known by which I think is already in the page. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 11:45, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Anyone know if they're releasing toys for Prometheus? They still do that sort of thing, right? If so, maybe we should wait to see what they name it there? I'm sure they'd make a toy of it...again, if they still do that sort of thing. — Somarinoa (talk) (Contribs) 16:29, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Why is his thing called a proto xenomorph? it does not preceed them since regular xenomorphs exist since AvP franchise which is like 90 years prior to the events of Prometheus, oh and the jockey xenomorph might still be canon since in Destroying Angels the Mala'kak was infected by a Facehugger not a TrilobiteXenoFan 03:30, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
- The official timeline for Prometheus ignores the AVP franchise. Also, Damon Lindelof confirmed that the creature is indeed a type of Xenomorph in this interview: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3147994/interview-damon-lindelof-on-the-origins-of-the-engineers-and-whatevers-in-the-final-shot-of-prometheus/ , so that settles the bickering over whether it's a Xenomorph or not. 207.216.193.21 03:04, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
Would someone mind explaining exactly when it was made ethical for a wiki to assume what species something is, based on its appearance? TroopDude (talk) (Contribs) 22:58, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
When the admins disappeared before, I presume the rules when out the window because the wiki was a mess when I got here. Wild speculation and lots of fanon or made up info was everywhere. The new admins have been fixing the wiki up, so far we have removed all the pages up for deletion and I have been removing unconfirmed info, speculation and watching for vandals. Sadly we can't sort out every single thing yet due to the numerous pages but mark my words, this place won't be without rules anymore, no one is going to make it their playground and no more speculation is going to happen because I will personally remove it with haste. If you need any help or questions answered then feel free to ask us, for now, keep up your good editing and if you find something that you are unsure of, just take to the talk page and we will get round to it. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 23:44, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
It was made clear in Prometheus that the space jockey was indeed NOT fossilized on the ship in Alien. Instead, the dead space jockey was in fact wearing the space jockey spacesuit. So, that should be changed. 69.126.201.89 19:50, July 13, 2012 (UTC)Greg102
This page is not about the engineers. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 20:12, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
I would just realy like (I think it is fundamental info) to know where the name Deacon itself comes from...Whats the source of this ? 80.212.29.70 03:11, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
From the crew of the film, I can't recall exactly the details but it was either named in concept art books or it was just called it by the film makers, I would dig around but another has probably provided the source in the page if you want to look. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 13:04, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
Trivia information[]
- @User:86.134.62.219
- The trivia that you keep deleting is canon. You see Fox is flexible with canon for the Alien Predator universe. It is ok with them that their are SOME inconsistencies between the stories. I have a list on my talk page to the inconsistencies if you would like to take a look see. See canon works differently for every universe/mulitverse we read about.
- War hammer 40k has it that everything you read in the novels is true for the most part, the feats and even SOME major information is wrong, it is done like this on purpose. Andromeda they have their canon set up that ONLY the dialog on the show is canon, what you are watching on the show itself is not canon, funny don't you think? Star Wars has it that Toy bios, r.p.g book info, novels, movies, games, radio dramas, tech-manuals, graphic novels, and tv shows are canon. G.L. has people that keep a sharp eye to make sure things fit into canon, so canon is strict in the S.W. universe/mulitverse.
- The way canon works when it comes to stories like movie too movie too book ect in the Alien Predator universe, it is like a fairy tail. It all fits for the most part, things will happen though that might not quite line up, this is acceptable to Fox.
- Quote: That’s exactly what we’re looking to do. Fox has been great to work with and SEGA has been a good partner in building the bridges between developer and IP holder. Fox is a little more flexible with the canon than other companies out there, but they do have to be careful not to annoy directors – if you put together a proposition that assumes a particular film never happened, the director isn’t going to like that very much and Fox may have plans to work with them again in the future.
We’re able to introduce our own elements that we feel are right for the interactive space, whether that’s weapons or new types of aliens, and we’re aware that in doing so we’re adding to the existing canon.
This is a Quote from the writers of Prometheus. They confirm that AVP is canon but not only that but canon is flexible just like the President of Gearbox said above.
The biggest thing though is that in the Alien Quadrilogy 9th disc or the Alien Anthology 5th-6th disc is has a documentary called "Alien Saga." In this documentary they say and I quote "The saga lives on through home video, games, novels, and comics," In short they are in the saga. The word Saga is very important word because you will never see anything that is in a Saga that is not canon, it is impossible. This is the definition of Saga.
- saga
n saga [ˈsaːgə] a long, detailed story
- Also the Randy, guy making the Colonial Marines game, said that those four mediums take place in the same universe.
--WAVE (talk) (Contribs) 19:38, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
As a wiki, sources come first, so instead of edit warring, take it to the talk page like this section here and talk it out in a civil manner, and try to find sources as well. If you continue to edit war, you two will be given a warning. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs)12:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC) A "queen mother" doesn't exist in the movie universe, is non-canon to the movie universe, belongs to a its own, novel/comic-version universe(hereafter referred to as "books"). I mean seriously, a queen mother? Sounds like something a twelve year old made up, processed it into books, and obtained permission to publish it from Fox. And come to think of it, as I can't find any contradicting evidence, I assume that's exactly how it went, safe for the age of the writer. If canonizing and sources are truly that flexible, we might as well fetch it from around so many corners that eventually even My Little Pony has something to do with anything that happened in the movie Prometheus. As for your sources, what you quoted from a documentary doesn't nearly absolute evidence, it merely demonstrated a narration with loosely-picked wording, rather than determining what is and isn't canon. Even if we would assume it is, their opinions aren't any more reliable than our own. No offence on anyone being a fan of the books e.g., but this is a wiki, not your toy which you can adjust just to make it look more like your recently discovered subject of interest. Certainly the most important:
IT ISN'T RELEVANT.
I repeat, this page is about content of a movie. The movies started(1979) before the books, that is why you will find movie references throughout the books' pages, that doesnt mean it has to be vice versa. Also, the mentioned trivia is worded in a fashion "educating"/attacking anyone who assumes the contrary, while certainly you yourself should understand that if canon is flexible, no timeline dictates the others. If truly educational, it shouldn't be in the trivia. But as the books do not dictate the movies, it isn't in the alineas either. Perhaps the writers and supporters of said trivia are aware this as well? If "trivia" like this has to be included on this page, you might as well copypaste it onto all pages on this wiki that have nothing to do with the books, in a futile attempt to oppress peoples' interpretations. If this is how this wiki acts, I give up on this potential knowledge-base and wish the moderators good luck.
Sources: The movie "Prometheus" itself, "Alien"(1979), this page, and its talkpage, www.wikipedia.org used as model for a proper wiki.
-Velocitor85.151.148.111 11:55, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
Some think its all canon while others think certain parts are canon but that does not matter here, its whether things are sourced and real or not that truly matters. Anyway, fox has not really been that forthcoming with saying anything So its best to leave it neutral for now, also trivia can be allowed to reference other media regardless of your view on canonicity status and please, keep your responses civil.The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 12:04, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
Name[]
The name should be changed to the name that it was given in the 3d blu-ray special features disc. Ridley Scott calls it a Ultramorph. As it was put by one of the production staff it is an alien that comes from a Engineer. It is just a baby but it will be bigger stronger and more developed than a human born Xenomorph.
You did not provide sources yet again, can anyone confirm what the above said? I have found some pages with ultramorph on such as http://www.3dartistonline.com/image/13623/deacon_prometheus_ultramorph and http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/3650/the-xenomorphs-death-life/p1and http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/10587 but a better or more direct source would be good and another wiki says it is from the dvd, can anyone confirm this? The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 23:32, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
please rember that this is not a jocky alien like the one from aliens destroying angels173.228.64.59 23:12, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
Relatives?[]
I think it may be possible that both Xenomorphs and Deacons may be in the same taxtonomical order as eachother. Superscaryguy (talk) (Contribs) 00:02, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
I want to see a Predalien, Deacon battle! MongoosePirate (talk) (Contribs) 19:56, September 21, 2013 (UTC)MongoosePirate
Size?[]
This creature would actually be larger than a chestburster due to the engineer it came from being eight feet tall. How large would it be when it became full grown?
Although it hasn't been confirmed how the growth of this thing can increase, due to the fact there hasn't been a follow up to the movie. But if this thing is in fact a baby/premature, than i would imagine that when it's mature, it would be a lot larger than a normal Xenomorph queen. But we have to wait and see really.
- An Alien Fan.